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| 1772 Seville |
SPAIN
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8R 1772S CF
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NGC AU 53
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My nicest example of the Charles III portrait design from Spain is the first in the series as 1772 was the beginning of the re-coinage that replaced the pillar dollars of the colonial mints and the coat-of-arms design of Spain. The issue of 8 reales from the two mints in Spain would be suspended during several years in the following decade with the likely reason being to prop up the royal coffers by only minting the debased 1 and 2 reales during this period. On the Spanish minted coins, the portrait is different from the colonial design in that the bust is fully draped and without laurel wreath. The obverse is the crowned Spanish arms but without the pillars of Hercules.
From the Heritage World and Ancient Coins Platinum Night Auction in May, 2021
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| 1772 Mexico City, inverted MF |
MEXICO - TO 1823
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8R 1772MO FM "MF" INVERTED ASSAYER
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NGC AU 50
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First year of the portrait design on Spanish silver coins. This example is from the Mexico City mint. Both the mint mark and assayer initials are inverted and this coin is the rare variety where the initials have been transposed from "FM" to "MF" From the April/May 2012 Heritage auction, Chicago, lot #25106. KM106.1.
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| 1772 Lima |
PERU 1659-1826
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8R 1772LIMA JM PORTRAIT TYPE
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NGC AU 58
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First year of portrait coinage from the Lima mint. After neglecting my collection of Peru 8 reales for several years, I saw this attractive example in the Stack's Bowers January 2019 NYINC auction. From the catalog:
"Premium quality for the grade, with a nice strike, few marks and overlying olive brown tone on both sides that is attractive and entirely original."
NGC pop 2/3
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| 1773 Potosi |
BOLIVIA - COLONIAL
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8R 1773PTS JR
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NGC AU 50
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1773 is the first year of the Charles III portrait design minted in silver from Potosi, Bolivia. This was a raw coin acquired in my first experience with a Spanish auction, via internet, of course. From the June 2010 Cayón Subastas, Madrid, Spain. Cy12015. Golpecito en grafila del rev (small bagmarks on reverse design). MBC+
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| 1773 Antigua Guatemala |
GUATEMALA - COLONIAL
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8R 1773G P Ex. Gaspar de Portola
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NGC UNC Details
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Second year of the of the portrait design in the Captaincy General of Guatemala, the Spanish administrative region that included modern day Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua, Costa Rica and the Mexican State of Chiapas. This coin was minted at the earlier Guatemela City, also known as Santiago de los Caballeros (and later known as Antigua Guatemala), which was the capital city at the time. Both the capital and mint were moved to a different location, due to the damage from earthquakes in 1773. As this coin is an issue from the year of the earthquake is it more scarce than the 1772 issues. This coin has the G mint mark; after the move, coins would use the NG mint mark for Nueva Guatemala.
Encapsulated coin from the Heritage NYINC January 2019 auction and ex Aureo & Calico, Gaspar de Portola part II
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| 1774 Potosi, MS hoard |
BOLIVIA - COLONIAL
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8R 1774PTS JR
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NGC MS 62
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Although no pedigree was mentioned in the auction listing, given its date, mint and condition, this coin is likely from the small, buried hoard discovered near Potosi that is thought to have been hidden prior to the Great Aymara Rebellion of 1780. Due to this find, many mint state examples of this year/mint are available to collectors. Purchased from the Stack's Bowers/Ponterio & Associates, Inc. 2011 N.Y.I.N.C. Auction. KM-55; FC-6; El-12.
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| 1775 Mexico City, top pop |
MEXICO - TO 1823
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8R 1775MO FM
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NGC MS 62
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Highest NGC or PCGS graded example. Full luster and sharp strike on both sides with slight gold toning along top rims. Purchased, freshly slabbed, from Mexican Coins and More in July of 2013.
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| 1776 Mexico City, top pop |
MEXICO - TO 1823
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8R 1776MO FM
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NGC MS 63
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Highest NGC or PCGS graded example and shares the honor of the highest graded coin in my 8 reales collection with one other from Peru. Full luster and sharp strike on both sides with just a little weakness above the crown on the reverse. Purchased, freshly slabbed, from Mexican Coins and More in October of 2013. Any 1776 coin is popular with US collectors and typically sells at a hefty premium -- this one was no exception.
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| 1777 Mexico City, scarce FF |
MEXICO - TO 1823
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8R 1777MO FF
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NGC AU 53
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Quality 1777 8 reales from Mexico with the FF assayers are difficult to acquire. I was fortunate to notice right away when member TwoKopeiki put this example on the sales forum. This one has a full strike, and proof-like fields with some colorful toning near the rims.
ex 8 Reales Madness and ex Mike Dunigan from the CICF in 2011.
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| 1777 Potosi, top pop |
BOLIVIA - COLONIAL
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8R 1777PTS PR
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NGC MS 62
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This is the finest known NGC or PCGS graded example. Purchased from Dan Sedwick's Treasure Auction 12, Lot# 1269, October 2012. This specimen is quite lustrous and very lightly toned, no wear but a few minor surface marks from incidental contact.
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| 1778 Mexico City |
MEXICO - TO 1823
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8R 1778MO FF
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NGC MS 61
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Pedigreed to the Q. David Bowers Collection and previously purchased privately from John Kraljevich who indicated that it came from a hoard found in Haiti, which contained nearly exclusively Mint State eight reales from the mid to late 1780s. They may have been hidden in response to the slave revolt in 1791 that evolved into the Haitian Revolution. Reflective lustre with a touch of iridescent toning. Light marks account for the modest Mint State grade.
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| 1779 Mexico City |
MEXICO - TO 1823
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8R 1779MO FF
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NGC MS 61
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One of very few PCGS encapsulated coins in my collection that I have moved to NGC. When I started my 8 reales collecting in 2010, I chose NGC as my primary grading service in large part because the registry allowed sets to include PCGS coins. Unfortunately, this policy was changed for competitive world coin sets in 2012 so it could not appear in my competitive sets until I crossed it in 2017. From the Stack's Bowers August 2012 Philadelphia ANA World's Fair Of Money Auction, Lot# 40684. KM-106.2; FC-62a; El-89. Fully lustrous and choice. Former PCGS MS-61.
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| 1780 Lima, top pop |
PERU 1659-1826
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8R 1780LIMA MI
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NGC MS 63
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One of my finest 8 reales, by grade, is this example from Peru. Clearly, the graders appreciated the wonderful strike and lovely toning on the reverse. However, the obverse is a different story, struck with a later stage, and perhaps rusty, die.
From the Heritage Ancient & World Coin Signature Auction, January 5-6, 2013, New York. Lot #22386. KM78a, silvery gray patina with hints of deep red and magenta. Very attractive, strong strike on both sides
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| 1781 Mexico City |
MEXICO - TO 1823
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8R 1781MO FF
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NGC AU 58
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This is the fourth coin I've purchased (three raw and one from another TPG) for this slot and only with this one did I get a full grade. Clearly I saved the best for last as this is a bright and mostly problem free example. From the February 2013 Soler y Llach Subastas, Barcelona, Lot #0637. Restos brillo original. (Pequeños golpecitos. Zona de plata algo agria en anverso). Cal-931. EBC-/EBC.
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| 1782 Mexico City |
MEXICO - TO 1823
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8R 1782MO FF
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NGC AU 55
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When I started collecting 8 reales I preferred to buy raw coins, but I'm always on the lookout for a nicer example. This one is a case where I was able to win a better slabbed coin and upgrade my slot. From the Heritage January 15-16 2013 NYINC Auction, Lot #28495. KM106.2, Impressive luster and very little wear.
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| 1783 Mexico City, GB C/S |
MEXICO - TO 1823
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8R 1783MO FF
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PCGS XF 45
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For the 1783 slot I've decided to showcase a nice XF example, counter-marked with the bust of George III from 1797 when it was reissued as legal tender in Great Britain due to a shortage of silver. 1783 is a key date for my collection since it was an impulse purchase of an 1783 8 reales from the wreck of El Cazador that got this all started.
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| 1784 Mexico City, rare FF |
MEXICO - TO 1823
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8R 1784MO FF
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NGC XF 45
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This coin is one of those special finds that is the exciting part about this hobby. The variety is scarce as it is the last appearance of the initials F.F. (assayers Francisco de la Peña and Francisco Arance Cobos) on the Mexico City 8 reales. The common variety of the 1784 feature the initials F.M. (for Francisco Arance y Cobos and Mariano Rodríguez). I had never seen this variety for sale and won it in the February 2012 Cayón Subastas, Madrid, Spain, Lot #839. It can take months to get coins from Cayón because they get official export licenses for each coin. Patience, however, is a part of this hobby too. I was rewarded when this coin got its XF-45 grade from NGC.
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| 1784 Lima, top pop |
PERU 1659-1826
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8R 1784LIMA MI
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NGC MS 62
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Well struck and lustrous example. From the Heritage Ancient & World Coin Signature Auction, January 5-6, 2013, New York. From the auction catalog "lightly toned and original with full mint luster, just a light scattering of contact marks in the obverse fields. Full sharp PLUS ULTRA"
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| 1785 Lima |
PERU 1659-1826
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8R 1785LIMA MI
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NGC AU 53
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My first experience with Great Collections is this slabbed 8R from April of 2013. 8Rs don't show up much on GC so there was not much interest in this coin. It's well struck with an unfortunate blemish around the N in HISPAN but otherwise retains much of the original luster.
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| 1786 Mexico City |
MEXICO - TO 1823
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8R 1786MO FM
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NGC AU 58
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Another raw coin that graded above expectations and purchase price. From Daniel Frank Sedwick's Treasure Auction #8 of October 2010. Lot# 2184. KM-106.2; CT-939. 26.9 grams. Lustrous AU with gorgeous rainbow toning all over.
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| 1787/6 Lima |
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8R 1787/6ME MI PERU
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NGC MS 63
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This coin and the other top pop 1787/6 had been appearing in several auctions with very high reserve prices and they did not sell. Finally, this one opened at a price that let the market determine its value. Off-center but well struck; dies appear to be somewhat worn giving a softer look to the portrait; nicely visible overdate. From the September 2014 Long Beach Expo World Coins Signature Auction, Lot #31429. KM78a, description from catalog -- "full frosty white mint luster with just a hint of toning in the legends, a choice and original mint state coin. Rarely seen in this select quality." (Pop 2/0)
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| 1787 Santiago |
CHILE - COLONIAL
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8R 1787SO DA
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NGC AU 58
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One of my most scarce 8 reales is this one from the Santiago mint with a recorded mintage of just 183,209 (Elizondo). The mint, in the capital of the Captaincy General of Chile, was first authorized as a private endeavor in 1743. It minted what the region mined which was mainly gold. Charles III brought the mint under the crown in 1770. At the time this coin was produced the mint had moved from its original building to a former Jesuit school, Colegio Máximo de San Miguel, however construction of the new mint facility, Palacio de la Moneda, had already begun. The elaborate building would later become the seat of government which it still is today.
Purchased from World Numismatics (formerly known as Mexican Coin Company) in January of 2016. Pop 3/0. ex Ira & Larry Goldberg Coins & Collectibles Sale 42, September 2007.
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| 1787 Nueva Guatemala |
GUATEMALA - COLONIAL
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8R 1787NG M
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NGC XF 40
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This was my first Charles III portrait 8 reales from the Guatemala City mint. It has the NG mint mark for Nueva Guatemala. This series is not rare but examples do not appear at auction very often. It's from the June 2010 Cayón Subastas, Madrid, Spain. Cy12118. Acuñación floja (weakly struck). MBC+/EBC-, algunos restos de brillo original en rev (some remnants of original luster on reverse)
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| 1788 Madrid |
SPAIN
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8R 1788M M CARLOS III
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NGC XF 45
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I was finally able, after waiting 11 years, to replace my worn specimen of this date with a much nicer example of the Charles III portrait design from the Madrid mint. It was the first 8 reales issued from the Madrid mint since the 1782 mintage. Other than the crowned M mint mark, the design is the same as the other principle Spanish mint of the time, Seville.
From the Heritage October 2021 World & Ancient Coins Signature Auction.
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| 1788 Mexico City |
MEXICO - TO 1823
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8R 1788MO FM
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NGC AU 58
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When you are seeking to acquire a high grade example of a particular date you will occasionally come across ones that have a higher technical grade but not so much eye appeal on one side or the other. This example of the 1788 has a pleasing look on both obverse and reverse in terms of strike, lack of wear and toning, but in AU58 it is lower in grade than other examples in my collection.
From a Heritage Weekly World and Ancients Auction in September of 2021.
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| 1789 Mexico City |
MEXICO - TO 1823
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8R 1789MO FM "CAROLUS III"
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NGC MS 62
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The 1789 CAROLVS III variety is somewhat scarce and not at all plentiful in mint state, likely due to the transition to CAROLVS VI legend.
Super sharp strike, frosty devices; two die cracks above the crown. From the Heritage 2012 January World Coin Auction. From the catalog "some Prooflike characteristics. Posthumous issue struck after the death of Carlos III. An outstanding example of the type."
This was originally a raw purchase, then graded by NGC, crossed to PCGS and later crossed back at the current grade.
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| 1789 Mexico City, ex Norweb |
MEXICO - TO 1823
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8R 1789MO FM "CAROLUS IV" NORWEB COLLECTION
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NGC AU 58
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After the death of Charles III in December of 1788, the colonies experienced a delay in receiving the matrix blocks that provided the master design for new coins and the all important portrait of the successor monarch, Charles IV. Part of the reason for the delay may be attributed to Charles IV himself, an entirely lackluster leader, more interested in hunting than in the administration of his empire. Therefore, the overall design remained the same in 1789, some with the legend CAROLUS III and some, like this example, with the change of the legend to CAROLUS IV.
This coin was purchased on Ebay in December of 2010. It is pedigreed to the Norweb Collection and is noted as being ex Von Shuckman Collection and more recently ex Heritage Signature Auction #3009, Rosemont, IL, April 2010, lot# 22306.
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| 1790 Lima, Bust of Charles III |
PERU 1659-1826
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8R 1790LIMA IJ
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NGC AU 58
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Transitional type with portrait of Carlos III, and title of Carlos IV. Slabbed purchase from the Stack's Bowers November 2013 Baltimore Auction, Lot #21250. Unlike the Mexico City 8 reales busts at this auction purchased by other bidders, I got this one for a reasonable price. KM-87; FC-48; El-50. Fully struck, bright luster with light toning with the exception of a few contact marks on the obverse this coin would likely grade as MS.
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| 1790 Mexico City, Bust of Charles III, Madura star C/S |
N.E.INDIES
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1DUC (1811-54) N.e.indies MADURA STAR C/S ON 8R
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PCGS VF 35
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Just northeast of the Indonesian island of Java is the much smaller island of Madura. Numismatic lore relates that the Sultan of Sumenep, the principle city on Madura, authorized the counterstamping of a variety of silver coins during his reign (1812-1854). The most commonly seen of these is in the shape of a pointed oval with a flower-like motif. Collectors should be cautioned that there are claims of counterfeit stamps.
My example is on a transitional Mexico City 8 reales, showing the bust of Charles III but with the legend of Charles IV as CAROLUS IIII.
ex Kyle Ponterio Collection.
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| 1791 Lima, Bust of Charles III |
PERU 1659-1826
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8R 1791LIMA IJ "CAROLUS IV"
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NGC VF 35
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By 1791 all of the colonial mints had changed their 8 reales designs to feature the portrait of Charles IV with the exception of the Lima mint in Peru. For part of their mintage they continued to use the portrait of Charles III with the legend CAROLUS IV, as in this example. KM-87; CT-643. 26.4 grams. Bold VF+, cleaned and lustrous, with incipient rainbow toning, slightly crude rims (as made). The raw coin was purchased in April, 2010 from Daniel Frank Sedwick's Treasure Auction #7, lot# 1633. Pedigreed to the Mark Bir collection.
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