COMIC DETAILS
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Comic Description:
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Daredevil 164 Signature
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Grade:
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9.8
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Page Quality:
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WHITE
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Certification #:
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1506620001
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Owner:
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RMI High Tech
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SET DETAILS
Owner's Description
A 9.8 WP SS Copy. A Direct Edition issue.
Signed by SIGNED BY STAN LEE ON 7/16/18, FRANK MILLER ON 9/15/18 & KLAUS JANSON ON 9/29/18
This swapped out the OWW Copy. Sorry I need to change the photo.
Thie OWW copy was a CGC 9.8 White Page issue before submitted for the Stan Lee signing. Oh well..
You know folks, as an older DD fan, I really like this cover. Really. This is why I submitted mine to have Stan Lee signature, just because THIS comic is a bit retro and re-retells his origin and shows a bit of Stan Lee's historical influence on the cover (and the other retro cover I like is issue DD#156, mine also signed by Stan Lee). I think this also ties in the "Father" idea for a mini-series and also helps develop Frank Millers eventual "Daredevil Man Without Fear" mini-series.
The original comic had a DD pin up poster enclosed that many believe was actually the original cover for DD 162.
Currently worth 308 CGC points, the highest points for this issue.
CENSUS: 99 in 9.8, 127 in 9.6 out of 473 graded copies.
49 SS copies, 16 in 9.8, the highest grade as of September 2024.
prior notes...
CENSUS: 92 in 9.8, 117 in 9.6 out of 419 graded copies.
30 SS copies, 13 in 9.8, like this one, the highest grade as of APril 2023
Key Comments. Origin retold., Black Widow appearance., Pin-up by Frank Miller & Klaus Janson.
Art Comments. Roger McKenzie story, Frank Miller & Klaus Janson art, Frank Miller & Wally Wood cover.
Published in May 1980.
Prior notes...
CENSUS: as of May 2016.
60 copies in 9.8. Six more than last year.
73 more copies in 9.6 out of 257 graded copies.
8 SS copies. 3 graded at 9.8, with at least two of these signed by Stan Lee and the others also or possibly by Klaus Janson.
This issue has become a popular almost KEY issue Daredevil comic.
There were separate Direct Issues and Newstand variants for issue number 164 and this pattern follows through the entire Daredevil Miller era run. I have been told the numbers of direct edition vs newstand versions ranged proportionally 60-40 to 70-30 for each type, depending on the issue.
The newstand variants are much rarer in high grade, as they lived their life on a heavily fondled newstand, not in a direct edition mailer. This ratio also varies, with approximately one out of five (some issues one out of 20!) issues being graded 9.8 as the rarer newstand variant.
Newstand variants have the price in a square box next to the issue number at the top of the letter box, the direct editions have the price and issue number in a diamond shape within the letter box.
My issue in this set is a rare newstand variant. Only a few in 9.8 exist. Actually I recall seeing only one other newstand variant ever in 9.8WP.
A 40 cent issue. A number of special advertising variants also exist, and possibly a UK variant too.
VALUE:
Expect to now pay $150-200 for a basic 9.8WP Copy, easily more if excellent structure ($250), and more again if signed ($300 and up). And an added premium for the “Newstand variant”.
This issue seems to be getting more popular.
I have seen no sketches on any SS copy.
CREATOR DETAILS:
Cover Artists, Frank Miller and Klaus Janson But I get also get a reference to Wally Wood as also having input on the cover.
Writer, Roger McKenzie.
Penciler, Frank Miller.
Inker, Klaus Janson.
Colorist, Glynis Wein.
Letterer, John Costanza.
Editor, Denny O’Neil.
ISSUE TITLE "Expose'".
STORY LINE:
Ben confronts a hospitalized DD with his research, proving Matt is Daredevil. DD tells him the whole story, including his accident, his father's dead and why he acts as Daredevil. He tells Ben that if he publishes his story, he can no longer be the Daredevil. Ben reacts by burning his collected paperwork proof, and Matt Murdock's identity as Daredevil remains a secret.
NOTES and TRIVIA:
Bonus Pin-up. Trivia folks say Pin-Up says it is an unused cover for issue #164, but the Pin-up shows a leopard jumping on DD, so is likely actually an unused cover for Daredevil #162. I am looking for a photo to include...please email me.
Reprinted with a slightly different cover in 1990 as a TPB with 96 pages, ISBN 0-87135-634-1.
Published every 2 months.
First published in May 1980.
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