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1838 Half Dimes

Category:  Varieties
Owner:  Electric Peak
Last Modified:  11/24/2021
Set Description
After more than 20 years without any half dime production, the denomination was resumed in 1829 with a Capped Bust design similar to what had been in use in other denominations. That design continued on half dimes into 1837. In that year, the design was changed to Christian Gobrecht's vision of Liberty seated, holding a pole topped with a cap, and supporting a shield adorned with a ribbon with the word LIBERTY. There were no other design elements on the obverse, just the date. This is the so-called "No Stars" type.

For 1838, No Stars dies were used for the first New Orleans half dime production, but 13 stars were added around the figure on the dies used in Philadelphia. The stars would appear there in subsequent years at both mints through 1859. From 1860 until the end of the denomination in 1873, the legend UNITED STATES OF AMERICA replaced the stars on the obverse.

Mint workers apparently had trouble punching the stars into the dies properly in 1838 and into 1839 and 1840. At least nine 1838 dated half dime dies had at least one star repunched, leaving evidence of the earlier punch(es). Some of those were paired with more than one reverse die. So there are quite a few fairly easily identifiable die marriages employed for 1838 half dime production. In addition, some obverse dies without obvious star repunching were used.

One obverse die also suffered severe rusting. Despite the damage, the die stayed in use for some time. As rusting got worse, mint workers lapped the die to eliminate rust pits from the fields (but left the worsening effects in the design). This had the effect of causing the stars to appear progressively smaller. By the end of the die's use, a few of the stars were almost completely eliminated. This is the so-called "Small Stars" variety. That die was paired with two different reverse dies, yielding Valentine's V-1 and V-2 varieties. The obverse is easily identifiable by numerous lumps on Liberty's pole-holding arm, even in the earliest stages of its use. That is important to note, because the grading services often mis-attribute early stage V-1 Small Stars coins as Large Stars, and sometimes mis-attribute other varieties as Small Stars. (In fairness, lapping of other obverse dies can make their stars look somewhat smaller than normal. But it is the opinion of experts in LSCC that "Small Stars" should refer only to the 1838 V-1 and V-2.)

Reverse dies used in 1838 are distinguished mainly by die cracks, clash marks, recut letters, and other defects that are evident in the coins. Valentine states that one die used for some 1837 coins was also used for multiple 1838 varieties, presumably ending its use after it had developed a large area of deterioration at AMERICA, from rim to wreath. But during the course of building this set, and examining varieties of other issues, I discovered that the specific characteristics (primarily a "notched leaf" under D of DIME) of that supposedly single reverse die were present on multiple dies, even one used at the New Orleans mint. So it appears that (at least) two hubs were used to produce the non-split buds dies used for Liberty Seated Half Dimes from 1837 to 1840. (It may be that this was known before, but it has never been published and has not appeared in the Liberty Seated discussion boards. Similarly, I also discovered evidence that only a single hub was used to create all the split buds reverse dies used at both mints from 1840 to 1859.) However, also during the course of building this set, it has been determined that a single die has the notched leaf in its early state and no longer has that feature in later states, presumably due to lapping. Thus, more investigation is needed to determine whether there were actually two hubs in use at the time.

Set Goals
My goal is fairly simple: Obtain a nice example of every discernible die variety of 1838 half dimes. In some cases, different die states are obvious and obtainable. The Small Stars obverse is a good example. I plan to add such die states as well.

As far as die marriages go, the set may already be complete. But I do not yet have one Valentine die state, the V-1A. The V-1A simply has a different die state of the V-1 obverse die. It is recognized by a crack from the right rim through the two lower arms of star 13. That crack appears on all examples of the V-2, which uses the V-1 obverse with a different reverse die. Nevertheless, I would still like to obtain a V-1A.

Two of Valentine's varieties, the V-5 and V-9, are probably early die states of the V-4 and V-13, respectively. My reasoning follows:

Valentine says V-4 and V-5 used the same obverse, that V-4 uses the same reverse as V-2, and that V-5 uses the reverse of 1837 V-2 (which has the notched leaf feature). My observation is that the V-4 reverse has a weak notched leaf. So it is possible the same reverse was used, and that V-4 (and V-2 and V-11, all three with the same diagnostic clash at (DI)ME) came after V-5 (without that clash). Lapping could have reduced the prominence of the notched leaf features.

Liberty Seated Half Dime expert Stephen Crain stated (on the Liberty Seated message boards) that V-9 may not exist as a separate variety. Kevin Flynn's book identifies V-9 with a separate repunched stars obverse. But the only photo of it in the book shows only the first five stars, and they look just like those of V-13. As for the reverse dies, Valentine says V-9 uses the same one as V-5 (notched leaf). So, the V-9 reverse could be an earlier die state of the same reverse as V-13.

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View Coin V-1, Small Stars, Stage 1 Very Early Die State United States H10C 1838 LARGE STARS PCGS MS 62 PCGS graded MS 62, CAC approved
Variety: V-1 vEDS (pre) Small Stars

Luster: TBD

Photo credit: Electric Peak Collection
View Coin V-1, Small Stars, Flynn Obv 1 Rev 1 Stage 1 Early United States H10C 1838 LARGE STARS V-1, Small Stars, Stage 1 PCGS MS 66 PCGS graded MS 66, No Drapery, Large Stars
Variety: V-1; Small Stars, Stage 1

For 1838 half dimes, the Small Stars designation should really apply only to one obverse die, which was progressively lapped to remove evidence of die rust. As a result, the stars start out normal, but become progressively smaller. Some nearly disappear in the latest state of that die. While other dies were undoubtedly lapped, there are no other cases in the series in which the stars sizes are affected nearly as much. A better designation would be to emphasize the die rust on that Small Stars die, which is apparent on Liberty's left (pole-holding) arm, even in the earliest known die state. That obverse die was paired with two reverse dies, making the V-1 and V-2 varieties. Valentine noted "thin stars" only for this one obverse die. Nevertheless, the grading services commonly designate representatives of other varieties as "Small Stars", despite the stars looking normal, and commonly designate early state examples of the V-1 marriage as "Large Stars".

Even if the obverse die had been used before it rusted, resulting coins would be still be identifiable. The stars were punched into the die individually. Some required correction. The result is unique star positions and evidence of repunching that is apparent even on significantly worn coins.

This coin is an example of the V-1 die marriage, in an early state thereof. The stars appear normal in size. But the die rust is apparent on the arm and other locations in the design. Note the strong repunching of stars 3 and 4 (counting clockwise from lower left).

Luster: TBD

Photo credit: Electric Peak Collection
View Coin V-1, Small Stars, Flynn Obv 1 Rev 1 Stage 1 Late United States H10C 1838 LARGE STARS V-1; Small Stars, Stage 1 NGC MS 65 NGC graded MS 65, Large Stars
Variety: V-1; Small Stars, Stage 1

For 1838 half dimes, the Small Stars designation should really apply only to one obverse die, which was progressively lapped to remove evidence of die rust. As a result, the stars start out normal, but become progressively smaller. Some nearly disappear in the latest state of that die. While other dies were undoubtedly lapped, there are no other cases in the series in which the stars sizes are affected nearly as much. A better designation would be to emphasize the die rust on that Small Stars die, which is apparent on Liberty's left (pole-holding) arm, even in the earliest known die state. That obverse die was paired with two reverse dies, making the V-1 and V-2 varieties. Valentine noted "thin stars" only for this one obverse die. Nevertheless, the grading services commonly designate representatives of other varieties as "Small Stars", despite the stars looking normal, and commonly designate early state examples of the V-1 marriage as "Large Stars".

Even if the obverse die had been used before it rusted, resulting coins would be still be identifiable. The stars were punched into the die individually. Some required correction. The result is unique star positions and evidence of repunching that is apparent even on significantly worn coins.

This coin is essentially untoned, is well-struck throughout, and is highly lustrous. There are a couple very light hairline scratches that are visible in some lighting angles. Overall it is very pleasing.

I bought this coin as a cherry-pick from Stack's-Bowers at the Summer 2015 Baltimore show. The NGC certification correctly noted that it is a No Drapery type (as are all 1838 Philadelphia half dimes), but did not specify Large Stars or Small Stars. It is an example of the V-1 Small Stars variety, in Stage 1 of that variety. I paid a fair Large Stars price for it - substantially less than what gem Small Stars pieces fetch (including Large Stars coins that are mis-attributed as Small Stars!). But to be fair, in what is known as Stage 1 of the obverse die, the stars are normal. I submitted the coin for reholdering because the original holder was badly scuffed. NGC added the Large Stars designation at that time...

Luster: 4/4
Strike: 5/4

Photo credit: Electric Peak Collection
View Coin V-1, Small Stars, Flynn Obv 1 Rev 1 Stage 3 United States H10C 1838 SMALL STARS V-1 NGC MS 63 NGC graded MS 63, Small Stars
Variety: V-1, Small Stars

Luster: TBD

Photo credit: Electric Peak Collection
View Coin V-2, Small Stars, Flynn Obv 1 Rev 2 Stage 5 United States H10C 1838 SMALL STARS V-2; Small Stars, Stage 4 (Blythe),Stage 5 (Flynn) NGC MS 65 NGC graded MS 65, Small Stars
Variety: V-2; Small Stars, Stage 4 (Blythe), Stage 5 (Flynn)
Ex: Eugene H. Gardner

For 1838 half dimes, the Small Stars designation should really apply only to one obverse die, which was progressively lapped to remove evidence of die rust. As a result, the stars start out normal, but become progressively smaller. Some nearly disappear in the latest state of that die. While other dies were undoubtedly lapped, there are no other cases in the series in which the stars sizes are affected nearly as much. A better designation would be to emphasize the die rust on that Small Stars die, which is apparent on Liberty's left (pole-holding) arm, even in the earliest known die state. That obverse die was paired with two reverse dies, making the V-1 and V-2 varieties. Valentine noted "thin stars" only for this one obverse die. Nevertheless, the grading services commonly designate representatives of other varieties as "Small Stars", despite the stars looking normal, and commonly designate early state examples of the V-1 marriage as "Large Stars".

Even if the obverse die had been used before it rusted, resulting coins would be still be identifiable. The stars were punched into the die individually. Some required correction. The result is unique star positions and evidence of repunching that is apparent even on significantly worn coins.

This coin is an example of the V-2 die marriage. Most of the stars are significantly affected by lapping. Die rust is severe on the arm and other locations in the design. Lapping has eliminated the evidence of repunching of stars 3 and 4 (counting clockwise from lower left). Late in the V-1 marriage, a die crack appeared from the rim through star 13. That crack appears on all examples of V-2 that are not too heavily worn or damaged. The V-2 reverse die is most easily identified, at least on higher grade coins, by the horizontal clash mark between M and E of DIME, and extending up and right from the upper right corner of that E.

Luster: 3/4

Photo credit: Electric Peak Collection
View Coin V-3, Large Stars, Flynn Obv 2 Rev 3 United States H10C 1838 LARGE STARS V-3 PCGS AU 55 PCGS graded AU55
Variety: V-3 (~EDS)

Luster: 2/2

Photo credit: Electric Peak Collection
View Coin V-3, Large Stars United States H10C 1838 LARGE STARS PCGS AU 50 PCGS graded AU 50
Variety: V-3

Luster: TBD

Photo credit: Electric Peak Collection
View Coin V-4, Large Stars, Flynn Obv N/A Rev 2 United States H10C 1838 LARGE STARS V-4 PCGS MS 64 PCGS graded MS 64, No Drapery, Large Stars
Variety: V-4; Flynn Rev 2

Luster: 3/3

Photo credit: Electric Peak Collection
View Coin V-4, Large Stars, Flynn Obv N/A Rev 2 United States H10C 1838 LARGE STARS V-4 PCGS AU 58 PCGS graded AU 58+
Variety: V-4

Luster: TBD

Photo credit: Electric Peak Collection
View Coin V-4, Large Stars United States H10C 1838 SMALL STARS PCGS XF 40 PCGS graded XF 40 Small Stars
Variety: V-4 LDS, Normal Stars

Because this coin is (incorrectly) certified as "Small Stars", it gets more registry points than it should. For 1838 half dimes, the Small Stars designation should really apply only to one obverse die, which was progressively lapped to remove evidence of die rust. As a result, the stars start out normal, but become progressively smaller. Some nearly disappear in the latest state of that die. While other dies were undoubtedly lapped, there are no other cases in the series in which the stars sizes are affected nearly as much. A better designation would be to emphasize the die rust on that "Small Stars" die, which is apparent on Liberty's left (pole-holding) arm, even in the earliest known die state.

Luster: 0/0

Photo credit: Electric Peak Collection
View Coin V-5, Large Stars United States H10C 1838 LARGE STARS PCGS MS 63 PCGS graded MS 63, No Drapery, Large Stars
Variety: V-5

Luster: TBD

Photo credit: Electric Peak Collection
View Coin V-5, Large Stars United States H10C 1838 LARGE STARS NGC AU 53 NGC graded AU 53
Variety: V-5
Ex: Stephen Crain Collection

Luster: 0/0

Photo credit: Electric Peak Collection
View Coin V-6, Large Stars, Flynn Obv 3 Rev 4 United States H10C 1838 LARGE STARS V-6 NGC MS 65 NGC graded MS 65, Large Stars
Variety: V-6, Flynn DDO-003 Obv 3 Rev 4

Luster: 4/4

Photo credit: Electric Peak Collection
View Coin V-7, Large Stars, Flynn Obv 3 Rev 5 United States H10C 1838 LARGE STARS V-7 NGC MS 62 NGC graded MS 62, Large Stars, CAC approved
Variety: V-7

Luster: TBD

Photo credit: Electric Peak Collection
View Coin V-8, Large Stars, Flynn Obv 3 Rev 6 United States H10C 1838 LARGE STARS V-8; Flynn DDO-003 NGC AU 58 NGC graded AU 58
Variety: V-8; Flynn DDO-003

Luster: 3/3

Photo credit: Electric Peak Collection
View Coin V-8, Large Stars, Flynn Obv 3 Rev 6 United States H10C 1838 LARGE STARS V-8 PCGS MS 63 PCGS graded MS 63, No Drapery, Large Stars
Variety: V-8

Luster: 3+/3

Photo credit: Electric Peak Collection
View Coin V-10, Large Stars, Flynn Obv 5 Rev 4, EDS before Reverse Spalling United States H10C 1838 LARGE STARS V-10 PCGS AU 55 PCGS graded AU 55, CAC approved
Variety: V-10

Luster: TBD

Photo credit: Electric Peak Collection
View Coin V-10e, Large Stars United States H10C 1838 LARGE STARS NGC AU 50 NGC graded AU 50
Variety: V-10e
Ex: Stephen Crain Collection #1713

Luster: TBD

Photo credit: Electric Peak Collection
View Coin V-10f, Large Stars, Flynn Obv 5 Rev 4, Reverse Spalling United States H10C 1838 LARGE STARS V-10; Flynn DDO-005 Obv 5 Rev 4; Reverse Spalling NGC AU 58 NGC graded AU 58
Variety: V-10f

Luster: 3/1

Photo credit: Electric Peak Collection
View Coin V-10f, Large Stars, Flynn Obv 5 Rev 4, Reverse Spalling United States H10C 1838 LARGE STARS V-10; Flynn DDO-005 Obv 5 Rev 4; Reverse Spalling PCGS MS 62 PCGS graded MS 62
Variety: V-10f; Reverse Spalling; Flynn DDO-005, Rev Stage 3

Luster: 3/3

Photo credit: Electric Peak Collection
View Coin V-10g, Large Stars, Flynn Obv 5 Rev 4, Reverse Spalling United States H10C 1838 LARGE STARS V-10 PCGS AU 58 PCGS graded AU 58
Variety: V-10g

Luster: TBD

Photo credit: Electric Peak Collection
View Coin V-10g, Large Stars United States H10C 1838 LARGE STARS V-10 PCGS MS 60 PCGS graded MS 60
Variety: V-10g
Ex: Stephen Crain Collection #1956

Luster: TBD

Photo credit: Electric Peak Collection
View Coin V-11, Large Stars, Flynn Obv 6 Rev 2 United States H10C 1838 LARGE STARS V-11; Flynn DDO-006 PCGS MS 64 PCGS graded MS 64, No Drapery, Large Stars
Variety: V-11; Flynn DDO-006

Dies designated by Flynn as 1838 Obverse 6 (DDO-006) and Reverse 2 were use to strike this half dime, which he identifies as Valentine's variety V-11. The 1838 Small Stars obverse, Flynn's Obverse 1 (DDO-001), was paired with his Reverse 1 for early Small Stars die states (V-1), and with this reverse for the later Small Stars die states (V-2).

Luster: 5/5

Photo credit: Electric Peak Collection
View Coin V-12, Large Stars, Flynn Obv 7 Rev 5 United States H10C 1838 LARGE STARS V-12; Flynn DDO-007 NGC MS 66 NGC graded MS 66, Large Stars
Variety: V-12

This piece is a lovely example of its date and variety. It is highly lustrous, well struck, mark-free, and attractively toned.

This coin caught my attention at the March 2008 Baltimore Show, in the Aspen Park Rare Coins (Evan Gale) table. After scanning the bourse for potential purchases, it was an easy choice.

Luster: 4/5

Photo credit: Electric Peak Collection
View Coin V-13, Large Stars, Flynn Obv 8 Rev 1 United States H10C 1838 LARGE STARS V-13; Flynn DDO-008 PCGS MS 63 PCGS graded MS 63, No Drapery, Large Stars
Variety: V-13: Flynn DDO-008, Obv 8, Rev 1

Luster: 2/2

Photo credit: Electric Peak Collection
View Coin V-13, Large Stars United States H10C 1838 LARGE STARS PCGS AU 58 PCGS graded AU 58
Variety: V-13

Luster: TBD

Photo credit: Electric Peak Collection
View Coin V-14, Large Stars, Flynn Obv 8 Rev 5 United States H10C 1838 LARGE STARS V-14; Flynn DDO-008 PCGS MS 64 PCGS graded MS 64, No Drapery, Large Stars
Variety: V-14; Flynn DDO-008

Luster: 3/3

Photo credit: Electric Peak Collection
View Coin V-14 LDS, Large Stars, Flynn Obv 8 Rev 5 United States H10C 1838 LARGE STARS V-14 LDS NGC MS 62 NGC graded MS 62
Variety: V-14 LDS

Luster: TBD

Photo credit: Electric Peak Collection
View Coin V-15 , Large Stars United States H10C 1838 LARGE STARS NGC AU 55 NGC graded AU 55
Variety: V-12 VEDS (no rim crumbling, aka V-15 EDS)

Research by Liberty Seated Collectors Club members has shown that the V-15 variety introduced by Al Blythe is in fact, as Blythe himself suspected, an early state of the V-12 die marriage. The V-15 state does not have the cracks that are associated with V-12. Most examples have obverse rim crumbling like V-12, and have weak upper left wreath details. This coin is from an especially early state of the V-15/12 dies, without the obverse rim crumbling.

Luster: TBD

Photo credit: Electric Peak Collection
View Coin V-15, Large Stars, Flynn Obv 9 Rev 4 (Obv 9 = Obv 7, Rev 4 = Rev 5, i.e., V-15 is an early state of V-12) United States H10C 1838 LARGE STARS V-15 NGC MS 65 NGC graded MS 65, Large Stars
Variety: V-12 (aka V-15, which is just an early state of the V-12 dies)

Luster: 4/3

Photo credit: Electric Peak Collection
View Coin V-15, Large Stars, Flynn Obv 9 Rev 4 (Obv 9 = Obv 7, Rev 4 = Rev 5, i.e., V-15 is an early state of V-12) United States H10C 1838 LARGE STARS V-15 NGC MS 62 NGC graded MS 62
Variety: V-15; Flynn DDO-009, Obv 9, Rev 4 (Obv 9 is same as Obv 7, Rev 4 is same as Rev 5, i.e., V-15 is an early state of V-12)

Luster: TBD

Photo credit: Electric Peak Collection
View Coin New Orleans, V-1a United States H10C 1838 O V-1a NGC UNC Details NGC graded UNC Details
Variety: V-1a
Ex: Stephen Crain Collection #1490

Luster: TBD

Photo credit: Electric Peak Collection
View Coin New Orleans, V-2 United States H10C 1838 O V-2 NGC MS 62 NGC graded MS 62
Variety: V-2, Large O

As I dreamed about the beautiful Gardner MS 66 example of this issue, I saw this coin offered on the Pinnacle Rarities website. I inquired about it and asked for it to be brought to the Fall 2014 show in Baltimore. There I examined it, liked it, and bought it. Most V-2 examples were made from an eroded die, producing the mushy looking date and lower right of the design. This coin, being graded only 62, has some marks and minimal luster.

Luster: 1/1

Photo credit: Electric Peak Collection

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